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another OBTW , the WTC covered an area of ~16 acres , which is ~2.5 % of a square mile.


16 acres = ~2.5% of a square mile?
1 Acre = 43,560 square feet


16 acres = 132 square miles
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16 acres = ~2.5% of a square mile?
1 Acre = 43,560 square feet


16 acres = 132 square miles


16 acres = 0.025 square miles how fucking retarded can you be
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But notice something: even there, the wings create substantial damage to the wall on impact.

Did it? What video are you watching? I see absolutely no appreciable damage whatsoever coming from the wings. Second of all, even if there was, you're not comparing apples to apples. Commercial jet liners will have wings that will be more easily shorn off under those conditions. Ever seen the cracks formed on the bottom of the wings from stresses in flight? What you're doing is the same thing the 9/11 truth movement is doing. Not looking at the whole picture, and in some cases, stating things that aren't even there.

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That damage is nowhere to be found on any pictures of the pentagon. I'm not contesting the size or shape of the hole, but rather the lack of hole for where the wings and reactors of a 757 are supposed to go. The Pentagon might've been built strong, but to have an airplane come in with wings and reactors and come out of it unscratched is far fetched.

I wouldn't expect the wings and engines of a 757 to punch a whole in the Pentagon. Real life isn't like bugs bunny. The wings of that aircraft are too frail to be able to punch a hole through that building in the manner you're picturing it.

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EDIT: Oh and Tom, very interesting about Building 7! I had never actually realized how extensive the damage could have been, till you pointed out that picture angle detail http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm Good photos showing the backside of the building

Notice how that's never been on a 9/11 truth movement website?

I have to caution you, reading those websites does not constitute research. If you really want to understand it, check out a credible source like the American Society of Civil Engineers, and get a decent background on mechanics. There's a reason people like Steven Jones are in the extremely tiny minority amongst scientists and engineers analyzing this failure mechanism.

I really hope you're not just consulting these websites for more reasons why they might be correct.

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This isn't to say that I now believe Osama did this or that the government and Bush are saints on the matter. It just puts a new perspective on the New York events.

Have you considered how many people would have to be involved to pull this off in secret?
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16 acres = 0.025 square miles how fucking retarded can you be

oh my god, I made a mistake in the conversion
yup, guess that makes me fucking retarded



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On the Friday before the sixth anniversary of 9/11, Osama bin Laden appeared in a new video, his first since prior to the U.S. presidential elections in 2004. In analyzing the video, Neal Krawetz of Hactor Factor, an expert on digital image forensics, said in his latest blogs that the video contained many visual and audio splices, and that all of the modifications were of very low quality.
Most striking is bin Laden's beard, which has been gray in recent images. For this video it is black. "As far as my tools can detect, there has been no image manipulation of the bin Laden portion of the image beyond contrast adjustment. His beard really does appear to be that color." The Washington Post has the full video here.

Krawetz says the inner frame of bin Laden was resaved at least twice, and not at the same time. The images show fine horizontal stripes on bin Laden and a background indicating these came from interlaced video sources. In contrast, the text elements, such as the As-Sahab logo, appear to be from non-interlaced sources.
The September 7 video shows bin Laden dressed in a white hat, white shirt and yellow sweater. Krawetz notes "this is the same clothing he wore in the 2004-10-29 video. In 2004 he had it unzipped, but in 2007 he zipped up the bottom half. Besides the clothing, it appears to be the same background, same lighting, and same desk. Even the camera angle is almost identical." Krawetz also notes that "if you overlay the 2007 video with the 2004 video, his face has not changed in three years--only his beard is darker and the contrast on the picture has been adjusted."
More important though are the edits. At roughly a minute and a half into the video there is a splice; bin Laden shifts from looking at the camera to looking down in less than 1/25th of a second. At 13:13 there is a second, less obvious splice. In all, Krawetz says there are at least six splices in the video. Of these, there are only two live bin Laden segments, the rest of the video composed of still images. The first live section opens the video and ends at 1:56. The second section begins at 12:29 and continues until 14:01. The two live sections appear to be from different recordings "because the desk is closer to the camera in the second section."
Then there are the audio edits. Krawetz says "the new audio has no accompanying 'live' video and consists of multiple audio recordings." References to current events are made only during the still frame sections and after splices within the audio track." And there are so many splices that I cannot help but wonder if someone spliced words and phrases together. I also cannot rule out a vocal imitator during the frozen-frame audio. The only way to prove that the audio is really bin Laden is to see him talking in the video," Krawetz says.
Another bin Laden video was released on September 11 and was much more straightforward. There was a still image of the black-bearded bin Laden (oddly, using a frame not used in the previous video), and then, as has been a tradition at al-Qaida , there was a long, unedited video of a statement read by Azzam Al Amriki, also known as American-born Adam Pearlman, who is currently being sought for treason and thought to be living in Pakistan. That doesn't mean the 9/11-released video wasn't doctored.
Click here and mouse over the image to see Krawetz's 75 percent error level analysis of one image. The white frame around Azzim reveals that his video was composited against the drawing of the World Trade Center being attacked. As Krawetz presented at this year's Black Hat conference in Las Vegas, al-Qaida has a history of doctoring background either to present propaganda or simply to disguise locations. In a separate interview, Krawetz talks with CNET News.com about some of the tools he used in his analysis.
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Here's a link to the crashtest you're talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRBHqJI40k

But notice something: even there, the wings create substantial damage to the wall on impact. That damage is nowhere to be found on any pictures of the pentagon. I'm not contesting the size or shape of the hole, but rather the lack of hole for where the wings and reactors of a 757 are supposed to go. The Pentagon might've been built strong, but to have an airplane come in with wings and reactors and come out of it unscratched is far fetched.


EDIT: Oh and Tom, very interesting about Building 7! I had never actually realized how extensive the damage could have been, till you pointed out that picture angle detail http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm Good photos showing the backside of the building

This isn't to say that I now believe Osama did this or that the government and Bush are saints on the matter. It just puts a new perspective on the New York events.

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How do fucking idiots like you get through day by day without killing yourselves, I'll never know.
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How do fucking idiots like you get through day by day without killing yourselves, I'll never know.

funny that's the same thing i ask myself everytime i see one of your retarded posts.

edi: oh and good job completely ignoring the article and instead just responding with more idiotic insults dumbass.
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edi: oh and good job completely ignoring the article and instead just responding with more idiotic insults dumbass.

Thats 95% of his posts. Fact is the guy is afraid to voice his views for fear of criticism. He likes to point out holes and percieved hypocrisy in other peoples opinions but at the same time hes too much of a coward to voice his own. My guess is that this behavior pours over into real life and manifests itself as social avoidance behavior, self confidance problems etc. What I do know about him is only what I can gather from his criticism of others.
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Thats 95% of his posts. Fact is the guy is afraid to voice his views for fear of criticism. He likes to point out holes and percieved hypocrisy in other peoples opinions but at the same time hes too much of a coward to voice his own. My guess is that this behavior pours over into real life and manifests itself as social avoidance behavior, self confidance problems etc. What I do know about him is only what I can gather from his criticism of others.

i've come to expect nothing less than complete idiocy from ruho and he never disappoints me.
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Must be frustrating for you when you try to convince someone who knows what they're talking about that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition than.
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Must be frustrating for you when you try to convince someone who knows what they're talking about that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition than.

no not really because i'm right about that also
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no not really because i'm right about that also

Well with your complete lack of engineering background and disagreement with every major, credible source, including the guys who actually analyzed the wreckage, I can see how you could come to that conclusion. You know, even though it's been pretty much demonstrated that it's impossible for there to be a CD since there is a) no explosions and b) no evidence of explosives on the sites, you must be pretty sure about it.
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Well with your complete lack of engineering background and disagreement with every major, credible source, including the guys who actually analyzed the wreckage, I can see how you could come to that conclusion. You know, even though it's been pretty much demonstrated that it's impossible for there to be a CD since there is a) no explosions and b) no evidence of explosives on the sites, you must be pretty sure about it.

either it was a cd or some powerful people in the government knew about the impending attacks and allowed the attacks to happen but either way it was an inside job. too bad all the evidence was shipped to china though makes it hard to prove anything.
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