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$200 Million Dollar Fence...

Read this on CNN today: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050728/...palestinians_7

Apparently, Israel is building a 4 stage fence to keep the palestinians out... at a cost of $200 million dollars. I think that money could be better spent on helping the palestinians, and I feel I have a right to an opinion since my government (US) gives money to Israel on a regular basis.

They are building automated turrets on parts of the wall for crying out loud... to stop a resistance force that uses bricks, Ak-47s, and suicide bombers. Apparently life is so cheap that nobody needs to be around to pull the trigger on a Palestinian, a machine can make that decision.

This seriously makes me sick, what about you?
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I don't know how remote-controlled = automated..

We have Predators in the sky over Iraq and Afghanistan being remote controlled and engaging the enemy on the ground.

Maybe your name should be changed to "FlawedDictionary"...
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First off, they are upgrading an existing fence so that less military personnel have to be there, so the Palestinians can't claim they can't launch a society with the rule of law because of Israeli interference anymore. The upgrading is to be able to withdraw more soldiers, and give the Palestinians autonomy without the ability to lay blame for their internal government problems on Israeli military presence.

The existing Fence (with military presence) has been wonderful in Gaza. I believe that only one successful attack has come across from Gaza into Israel in 5+ yrs of attempts while hundreds have gotten through Judaea and Samaria where no fence existed until recently.

Furthermore, if you want to see why fences are necessary in this conflict, see the difference in attacks from before the fence was put into place and afterwards around Judaea and Samaria:



I know your nick is flawed logic, but maybe I can still try some with you..

Less Israelis dead from attacks => Less Israeli military retaliations / actions in Palestinian dominated areas => Less palestinians dead

Furthermore, in the past, most aid given to Palestinians has gone into the private bank accounts of their leaders .. not exactly a worthwhile cause.
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Your reply makes alot of sense, I guess I just have a base problem with a rich dominant force fencing in a weaker and poorer force. I'm thinking there would be an outcry if we had a fence like this on the Mexican or Canadian border, especially if we spent $200 mil on it.
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Your reply makes alot of sense, I guess I just have a base problem with a rich dominant force fencing in a weaker and poorer force. I'm thinking there would be an outcry if we had a fence like this on the Mexican or Canadian border, especially if we spent $200 mil on it.

If Canadians or Mexicans were coming across and detonating suicide bombs on buses and in restaurants a few times a month, I'm sure we'd have no problem spending a few billion on it.

edit: and Israel's far from a rich dominant force. Israel barely survives and has intense budget deficits even with US aid.
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Israel barely survives and has intense budget deficits even with US aid.

Lies...Jews never run out of money.
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Lies...Jews never run out of money.

they do when they're around other jews who refuse to spend money
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Read this on CNN today: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050728/...palestinians_7

Apparently, Israel is building a 4 stage fence to keep the palestinians out... at a cost of $200 million dollars. I think that money could be better spent on helping the palestinians, and I feel I have a right to an opinion since my government (US) gives money to Israel on a regular basis.

They are building automated turrets on parts of the wall for crying out loud... to stop a resistance force that uses bricks, Ak-47s, and suicide bombers. Apparently life is so cheap that nobody needs to be around to pull the trigger on a Palestinian, a machine can make that decision.

This seriously makes me sick, what about you?


I read your post then looked at your user name and reached enlightenment
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Your reply makes alot of sense, I guess I just have a base problem with a rich dominant force fencing in a weaker and poorer force. I'm thinking there would be an outcry if we had a fence like this on the Mexican or Canadian border, especially if we spent $200 mil on it.
I would jump for fucking joy if my government had the balls to protect our borders like that.
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Palestinians forced it on themselves.
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they aren't fencing palastinians IN, they are keeping them OUT.
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they aren't fencing palastinians IN, they are keeping them OUT.
Not keeping them out.. Ensuring that the borders are working to prevent suicide bombers while allowing normal palestinians in and out..

Plus it's the Arab League's fault for creating the refugee camps of today in Palestine.. In the 1948 War, the Arab League broadcasted so much propaganda for the Arabs to leave Israel but they refused to incorporate the refugees into their countries of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt.
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I hate both sides in this.

Israel needs to stop having thier cake and eat it too. They need to decide what is "Israel" and what is "not-Israel". I don't care where they set the border, frankly. But they must completely withdrawl from "not-Israel", and allow all citizens living in "Israel" full citizenship rights, including the right to vote. They could make all of the Palestinian Territories "Israel" if they want-but they then must give the vote to everybody living there. More likely, the border would follow the existing one for the most part, but with a few differences for security (and encompass all of Jerusalem).

Now, the Palestinians need to stop fucking blowing up buses and pizza parlors.
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Read this on CNN today: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050728/...palestinians_7

Apparently, Israel is building a 4 stage fence to keep the palestinians out... at a cost of $200 million dollars. I think that money could be better spent on helping the palestinians, and I feel I have a right to an opinion since my government (US) gives money to Israel on a regular basis.

They are building automated turrets on parts of the wall for crying out loud... to stop a resistance force that uses bricks, Ak-47s, and suicide bombers. Apparently life is so cheap that nobody needs to be around to pull the trigger on a Palestinian, a machine can make that decision.

This seriously makes me sick, what about you?

you're an idiot
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