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My name is ReaperKK ingame. The only then that gets me in the game so far is the zoom, I wish you could zoom out more.

++, I want to zoom out at least 2x as far as the most zoomed out setting.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:48 AM Renork is offline  
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My name is ReaperKK ingame. The only then that gets me in the game so far is the zoom, I wish you could zoom out more.

yeah that would be nice. it would also be nice if they gave you the option to turn off the characters' voices. I can't stand it because I have a bad habit of clicking multiple times for certain actions. =S

Btw, ingame name is Shizzius.
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Just played my first game tonight, man I got owned so bad. 21 deaths and 0 kills.

I didn't know the map nor the character I was playing (Legionaire) and The way the item system/receipes were setup confused the hell out of me, half of the things I have to click on and then select to buy or not, others oyu just click and it buys (wasted money on shit I didn't want) then on top of this some things were greyed out (I assumed you had to kill a PVE monser on the map somewhere to get it).

On top of this everyone outlv'd me so quickly, I was lv 7 and they were 14, etc.

Then , I'm not sure if it was the character I was playing that just sucks or what, but anytime I got near another enemy player I was dead. There was no running away, no nothing, it was him > attack me> within 3 seconds /death.

One guy had this character that had like a bunch of purple spirt bird things or something and this spell he kept casting when he got near me that literally drained my life faster then the health pool in spawn heals you.

My attacks vs them were pitful, <100 a hit meanwhile anyone that attacked me was doing 2-300 and their specials were doing a ton. I just couldn't beat anyone.

Then on top of this the players were just pricks. The game I joined said "Noobs shuffle" so I thought it'd be good. I got into the game and after dyying early on I got bombarded with people teling me how stupid it was to do that, etc. Then I explained it was my first game and I never played before.

Then whenever I had a question about something they simply ignored me and never answered, then half way through the match as I had died so many times and after bashing me most of them added me to their banlist.

Seriously that was hands down the most pompous self-centered community I've experienced so far.
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Then on top of this the players were just pricks. The game I joined said "Noobs shuffle" so I thought it'd be good. I got into the game and after dyying early on I got bombarded with people teling me how stupid it was to do that, etc. Then I explained it was my first game and I never played before.

Then whenever I had a question about something they simply ignored me and never answered, then half way through the match as I had died so many times and after bashing me most of them added me to their banlist.

Seriously that was hands down the most pompous self-centered community I've experienced so far.



Ya, i have heard that lots of DOTA players.
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lol, try not to get the players get to you. DotA has always been like that.

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Ya, i have heard that lots of DOTA players.

yea it's pretty much exactly the same in pub dota games.
and once you get better you can kind of understand why they get mad at you. it's becuase you not doing well is directly affecting the quality of the game and the amount of fun they have, and neither of you have a good time. and im talking about people on both teams.

BUT, doing that kind of shit in a "noob shuffle" game is just retarded. if anything, i would say just keep playing those and get to know 1-2 heroes really well and try to come up with some builds, maybe look up the forums and try to get the basics down. fuck what other people thinks.
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Yeah, DotA/HoN are fun as hell, but they're awful to start out in.

The reason why people get so pissed off when you die is because that you "feed" the other team money and experience far faster than your team will be able to keep up with.

Stay near your creeps and away from enemy heroes, and learn how to last hit and deny. Last hitting is when you stand around near the creeps instead of attacking them until they're almost about to die, then hitting them for the kill and getting the experience. This keeps the enemy creeps nearer to your tower which means that you'll be safer, and it keeps you from getting attacked by the creeps and losing health so you'll be harder to gank. Denying is last hitting your own creeps so that the enemy is denied the experience and gold from them.

In addition to managing creeps in your lane effectively, you have to stay out as much as possible to get experience. If you're always running back to the fountain to heal, your enemies will quickly outlevel you and you'll be fucked. Buy the runes from the supplies shop that cost 90g and heal you by eating trees, because they're a good cheap way to replenish your health and stay in your lane longer. Also, the game lets you buy items while you're in the lane and then run back to base and grab them later. Use this feature so you don't stand around at your fountain for three minutes deciding what weapon to get.

Speaking of weapons, figure out a decent setup for your hero. You should be able to find a "build" guide on the HoN forums, or you could also look through the awesome DotA guides on the dota-allstars.com forum, since all the HoN heroes and items are similar to ones in DotA.

Anyway, the community are fucking whiney assholes, but the game makes it almost worth dealing with them by being so awesome.

edit: I forgot to say, once you get the basics figured out, what's really important is situational awareness. You have this shitty little viewport that you can only see 20 yards around you with, but you have to keep track of what's going on in the entire map. Watch the minimap a ton so you can be mindful of what's happening in other lanes, especially where the enemy players are moving. If you can see a gank coming, often times you'll be able to avoid it by just running back to your tower, or further back to base.
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I would have been furious if you went 0 and 21 in a game I was in.

The people who play HoN aren't very good at dota.
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nevermind , apparently flashget is being weird with this download in particular , just using standard firefox DLer works fine , cant wait to play
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just have to say, for any dota people here that I play with, I'm OK, but sometimes I'm bad.

And I've been playing dota for 3, 4 years. In fact, it's pretty much the ONLY game I play.

Seriously though, the fact that I don't know any of the heroes by site or what they do really messes me up. I don't know what to watch out for, or wtf is going on in a big team battle.
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dumb general dota question:

do you get damage increases only from your stat?

i.e. if you are a strength hero and you get bracers, do you get extra attack damage, where is you are an int hero and get bracers you just get the health/regen boosts?

is there a basic guide to these types of things? I've been playing dota for a long time but still don't know some of these major little things.
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just have to say, for any dota people here that I play with, I'm OK, but sometimes I'm bad.

And I've been playing dota for 3, 4 years. In fact, it's pretty much the ONLY game I play.

Seriously though, the fact that I don't know any of the heroes by site or what they do really messes me up. I don't know what to watch out for, or wtf is going on in a big team battle.

I have the same problem.

The only games I won in HoN would be when I'd pick an agility hero i was familiar with and go 20 and 2 or something equally retarded.
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dumb general dota question:

do you get damage increases only from your stat?

i.e. if you are a strength hero and you get bracers, do you get extra attack damage, where is you are an int hero and get bracers you just get the health/regen boosts?

is there a basic guide to these types of things? I've been playing dota for a long time but still don't know some of these major little things.

Yes. Your stat, or items that give direct damage bonuses, like a claymore/broad sword. Images do not get damage bonuses from these direct items though, so on certain heroes, namely phantom lancer and naga siren, its dumb to get them. Also, auras that give % based damage are affected by damage gained from stats. So on a hero like luna, stacking agility gives you some pretty crazy damage.

No, you would also get a damage bonus of 3 per bracer from the int on the bracer. Most people get bracers for one reason, the health. The damage bonus is just a side effect of being strength. I go nulls or wraiths on very few heroes.

Just go read the dota allstars mechanics forums. One thing to remember is the mechanics of HoN don't work exactly like allstars, I'm not sure if this is still the case, but you used to be able to stack multiple orb effects. Like all of them, not just mana burn/skaldi or life steal/skaldi on a ranged unit.
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Scouts are so goddamn OP, the reuse timer on their vanish needs to be at least 2x as long.
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